Got the BGA chips installed on the 10373 prototype
by Andrey Filippov
Finally I received the 10373A PCB with BGA chips soldered. Still one (DDR3 for the video memory) is missing, we’ll install it later – anyway there is a lot to be done before I’ll need it. But that’s all what is soldered for me – I could not do it by hand. Hundreds of other components are waiting for me – I attached two of the model 353 cameras as microscopes and prepared to solder 0201 resistors and capacitors (0.3mm by 0.6mm) – I’ve never done it before. It may be stupid to try to do that manually, but it did work for me before to use a soldering iron after working with just virtual stuff on the computer. I believe it helps me to find some potential problems in the design while I take components one by one and think of them in different perspective than during the initial design.
And while I was waiting for the components and the board – I made some minor design upgrades to the existent camera – changed the layout of the sensor board to fit better multi-sensor applications (like panoramic video). The new board is just 15mm by 28mm (current 10338 is 32mm x 32mm), so using M12 (S-mount) lenses it is possible to shrink the size of the panoramic head so the distance between the outer elements of the opposite lenses is under 80mm – it is much smaller than similar high-res systems. That distance is important to reduce parallax – most noticable when the objects are close to the camera.
Sorry, Russian is more suitable for expression of my emotions π
ΠΠ΅Π½Ρ ΡΠ΄ΠΈΠ²Π»ΡΠ΅Ρ ΡΠΎ, ΡΡΠΎ ΠΠ°Ρ Π΄ΠΎ ΡΠΈΡ ΠΏΠΎΡ Π½Π΅ ΠΊΡΠΏΠΈΠ» ΠΊΡΠΎ-Π½ΠΈΠ±ΡΠ΄Ρ ΠΈΠ· Π°ΠΊΡΠ» Π²ΡΠΎΠ΄Π΅ ΠΡΠ½ΠΎΠ½Π° ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΡΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΆΠ΅ ΠΠΊΡΠΈΡΠ°. ΠΠ΅ΡΠΆΠ΅Π»ΠΈ Ρ Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΏΠ΅ΡΠ΅ΠΈΠ·Π±ΡΡΠΎΠΊ ΠΈΠ½ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π΅ΡΠΎΠ², ΡΠΎΠ³Π»Π°ΡΠ½ΡΡ ΠΈ ΡΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠ±Π½ΡΡ Π½Π΅ ΡΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ ΡΠ°Π·ΡΠ°Π±Π°ΡΡΠ²Π°ΡΡ ΡΠΎΡΡ ΠΈ ΠΆΠ΅Π»Π΅Π·ΠΎ Ρ ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΌΡΡΠΊΠΈ, Π½ΠΎ ΠΈ ΡΠΎΠ±ΡΡΠ²Π΅Π½Π½ΠΎΡΡΡΠ½ΠΎ Π½Π°ΠΏΠ°ΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡ ΡΠΎΡΠ½ΠΈ Π±Π»ΠΎΡ Π½Π° ΡΠΊΡΠΏΠ΅ΡΠΈΠΌΠ΅Π½ΡΠ°Π»ΡΠ½ΡΠ΅ ΠΎΠ±ΡΠ°Π·ΡΡ?
ΠΡΠΎ ΠΆΠ΅ Π½Π°ΡΠΊΠΎΠ»ΡΠΊΠΎ Π½Π°Π΄ΠΎ Π±ΡΡΡ ΡΠ΅ΠΊΠ½ΡΡΡΠΌ ΡΠ°Π½Π°ΡΠΈΠΊΠΎΠΌ!? …ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎΡΠΎΠΌΠΊΠΎΠΌ ΠΠ΅Π²ΡΠΈ π
Dmitry, Elphel is not for sale π
re:”Elphel is not for sale”
C’mon, if it’s an FOSS project, then after selling Elphel You can always start sth based on it, but with a new brand!) (then, please, make it affordable!…)
ΠΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎΠΈΠΌΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ°Π·ΠΈΠ»Π°: ΠΌΠ½Π΅ ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»ΠΎΡΡ, Π½Π° foss -Π»ΠΈΡΠ΅Π½Π·ΠΈΡΡ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ Π·Π΄ΠΎΡΠΎΠ²ΠΎ ΡΠΊΠΎΠ½ΠΎΠΌΠΈΡΡ. Π₯ΠΎΡΡ, ΠΊΠΎΠ½Π΅ΡΠ½ΠΎ, Π½ΠΈ ΡΡΠ½ΠΊΠ° Π½Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Ρ, Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ hardware -ΠΏΡΠΎΠΈΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡΠ΅Π»Ρ ΠΊ Π½Π΅Π·Π°Π²ΠΈΡΠΈΠΌΡΠΌ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΏΠ°Π½ΠΈΡΠΌ-ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΎΡΠΊΠ°ΠΌ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Elphel (ΠΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ, Π²ΡΠ΄Π°Π²Π»ΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡ?).
/Π½Π°ΡΠ΅Π» Π²Π°Ρ Π² ΡΡΠ°ΡΡΠ΅ Π½Π° fsf.org.
Good luck!
ΠΡΠ΅Π³Π΄Π° ΡΠ°Π΄ΡΡΡ Π΄Π΅ΠΉΡΡΠ²ΠΈΡΠ΅Π»ΡΠ½ΡΠ΅ (Π° Π½Π΅ “Π½Π°Π½ΠΎΡΡΠ±Π°ΠΉΡΠΎΠ²ΡΠΊΠΈΠ΅”) ΡΡΠΏΠ΅Ρ ΠΈ ΡΠΎΠ³ΡΠ°ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π½. Π Π±ΡΠ²ΡΠΈΡ ΡΠΎΠ³ΡΠ°ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π½ – ΡΠΎΠΆΠ΅!
Hello Ark,
>Cβmon, if itβs an FOSS project, then after selling Elphel You can always start sth based on it, but with a new brand!)
I fail to understand – why is it any difference in this aspect with nonfree projects? And what the buyer would be paying for?
Building a trusted brand name takes time – free on non-free, and selling the freedom and trust of the users would ruin that overnight. So no, we will not sell Elphel.
>then, please, make it affordable!β¦
Our products are very affordable – for those who need and value freedom in the high-end devices. Unfortunately we can not make our products as cheap as high-volume devices – design for freedom and easy modification by the users put additional requirements and can only raise, not drop the price. There are inexpensive open hardware devices on the market – they are extremely useful for many projects, but that approach would not work for the high-end systems. The development costs are the same (or higher) but you can not spread those expenses over many thousands of the units manufactured and sold.
>ΠΠΎΠΎΠ±ΡΠ΅, ΡΡΠΎΠΈΠΌΠΎΡΡΡ ΠΏΠΎΡΠ°Π·ΠΈΠ»Π°: ΠΌΠ½Π΅ ΠΊΠ°Π·Π°Π»ΠΎΡΡ, Π½Π° foss -Π»ΠΈΡΠ΅Π½Π·ΠΈΡΡ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ½ΠΎ Π·Π΄ΠΎΡΠΎΠ²ΠΎ ΡΠΊΠΎΠ½ΠΎΠΌΠΈΡΡ.
I can not see – how can you save on the FOSS licenses in our case. GNU/Linux – yes, of couse we use it inside the cameras, but that is virtually all we can use. Hardware and the rest of the firmware is all our own design – only in the next camera we’ll be able to use at least one FPGA design available under GNU/GPL. So our expenses are the same as for manufacturers of the closed proprietary systems. The freedom of Elphel products is a feature that our customers can benefit (in many cases makes it possible for them to use our cameras).
> Π₯ΠΎΡΡ, ΠΊΠΎΠ½Π΅ΡΠ½ΠΎ, Π½ΠΈ ΡΡΠ½ΠΊΠ° Π½Π΅ Π·Π½Π°Ρ, Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΡΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡ hardware -ΠΏΡΠΎΠΈΠ·Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡΠ΅Π»Ρ ΠΊ Π½Π΅Π·Π°Π²ΠΈΡΠΈΠΌΡΠΌ ΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΏΠ°Π½ΠΈΡΠΌ-ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΠ½ΠΎΡΠΊΠ°ΠΌ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Elphel (ΠΠΎΠΆΠ΅Ρ, Π²ΡΠ΄Π°Π²Π»ΠΈΠ²Π°ΡΡ?).
No, we do not see any pressure from the proprietary competitors. Engineers of the manufacturers of the high volume cameras admitted – they spend hours on our wiki where we have the documentation on our products (circuit diagrams, PCB layouts and thousands of CAD files for the mechanical parts π